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Post by bamaman on Mar 23, 2009 21:59:17 GMT -5
thanks for the help Billy...
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Mar 23, 2009 22:32:03 GMT -5
glad i was able to help. that shirt is awesome. what is that you trimmed the neck with? i like it. all that fringe looks cool
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Post by bamaman on Mar 23, 2009 23:20:34 GMT -5
The neck is trimmed with braintan deer. I had some scraps left over from my pants that are a darker color so I thought that would look cool. The shirt is made of elk, the sleeves are buckskin.
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Post by bamaman on Mar 24, 2009 7:50:10 GMT -5
as always, those leggings are incredible...
I have heard with the earth pigments they rub off on things when you rub up against stuff. Is that true? If so, is there anything I could use to make it not do that?
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Post by beaudro on Mar 24, 2009 10:22:58 GMT -5
When the hide had dried completely each color was sealed with 20-30 layers of cactus juice, covering only one color at a time. Without the seal the paints would wear off and soil dresses. www.womenofthefurtrade.com/wst_page10.html
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Post by bamaman on Mar 24, 2009 10:56:32 GMT -5
hmm... anyone know where I can get some cactus juice? Or what a substitute would be?
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Mar 24, 2009 11:44:49 GMT -5
just a thought, i have many hair brain ideas so bear with me. but would aloe be a good substitute? i have seen it used on buckskin to twist fringe.
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Mar 24, 2009 11:45:41 GMT -5
awesome leggins he who thunders red
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Post by beaudro on Mar 24, 2009 13:59:36 GMT -5
There was a few places on the net you could buy prickly pear cacti , might take alot of them to get enough juice. I wouldn't worry about it too much, unless there is globs of paint on your buckskin and it gets too damp, that paint won't rub off that bad. Those women that seal coat their belts, that more necessary since it's a bad spot and it rubs constantly. Some of the original colored buckskins were "dusted" , they just took a pigment in dry powder form and rubbed it into the leather. But a hide glue would help it bond better of course. You can find more of the painted shirts like yours in the late 1800's and on different tribes things start showing up with more options.
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Post by bamaman on Apr 1, 2009 23:17:45 GMT -5
well Beaudro, you weren't kidding about the hide glue stinking...
I tried Red Thunder's method of rubbing the pigment directly into the leather(scrap piece) and I also mixed some hide glue up with the pigment and painted it on. I'm waiting over night for the painted part to dry. Once it does I'm going to see which one looks the best and use that method.
I can' go ahead and tell you guys though that rubbing the pigment directly onto the skin I think is going to look the best. The thing that worries me is it rubbing off on everything... I'm wondering if something like spraying it with hairspray might help it stay on...
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Post by beaudro on Apr 2, 2009 6:31:36 GMT -5
Bama, i think redthunder is giving you good advice , I wish I had something to add to it but without being there I really don't know. If that pigment is coming off I bet it's somewhat normal , at least for a time. If you think it's way too much , I would go as far as spraying it with water. Might help to make it set a little. The authentic thing to do, is wear it outside on a damp morning, jump on your horse and chase down some white trappers for a few days. After you get back check it to see if it's still rubbing off. ( a smart ass answer, but couldn't resist). You might take a bit of hide glue and use a sponge to pat it down with. I really strive for an authentic look, and thank God I find experts to help me out. I find that when your replicating something , always on the first attempt it's a learning curve. After this project the next just gets better. Hope you can post pictures of it soon,
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Post by bamaman on Apr 2, 2009 16:39:00 GMT -5
Here are the pics of the test piece I did. This is the side that I just rubbed the pigment into. This is the side that I mixed it into the hide glue and painted it on This is a pic with the whole piece for a good contrast
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Post by bamaman on Apr 2, 2009 21:48:37 GMT -5
Those are both the same pigment. The painted on side came out a little darker in the pictures. To mix the paint I used nothing but pigment and hide glue flakes and cooked them together.
If I rubbed the pigment in and then painted the hide glue on top of it, do you think that would work better?
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Post by bamaman on Apr 3, 2009 7:52:25 GMT -5
I liked that one too Beaudro... so much so that I got on my warshirt and went after my neighbor last night. Let's just say he won't let his grass get overgrown anymore!!!
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Post by beaudro on Apr 3, 2009 9:45:49 GMT -5
Bama , I've only painted on a few robes and parfleche but the way I make up my paint: heat up the hide glue, outside , I prefer mine real thin. More of a stain than a paint. I use little paper cups and pour in the amount of glue i'll need. then i add the pigment powder and stir until it's the right color i want. I like to use a small rock to apply the paint, and whatever i can find useful. Sometimes the applicator makes all the difference in how you want the project to look. When it's finished it will have that "New" look to it , and not anything like the originals because they are 100 years old and more of course. This makes a person want to age it right away. One of the hardest things I had to learn to do was actually wear my clothing in the rain, I did not want to get braintan wet. It took me a few years to learn that its ok, it'll come back better looking. On my first hunt in period clothing I changed out of my buckskin clothes to do the cleaning , i missed that opportunity to give them a good patina that time. From what i see around the hard core replicators, there are a few things that give items a real authentic patina,, Rain, snow, or any moisture over time , smoke , blood horse sweat This is just a few good ones, then there is the artificial patinators. and it gets creative! walnut hulls and all kinds of dyes. oils and greases of any kind This list goes on forever, and it's not all bad, but somethings aren't the same as just wearing your clothing and giving it some real use.
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