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Post by longtrail on Jun 18, 2008 17:32:32 GMT -5
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Post by redthunder on Jun 19, 2008 1:07:15 GMT -5
very nice trade beads lt, i have some of them and other red white inside beads about 120 years, but not any picture now.,
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Post by 3balls on Jun 19, 2008 6:37:27 GMT -5
Lt. awsome that bird head what is it carved out of ?
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Post by longtrail on Jun 19, 2008 10:55:03 GMT -5
An antler tip. Ya, pretty neat raven. Looks like he scored. I'll get a better photo of it for you.
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Post by longtrail on Jun 19, 2008 14:16:58 GMT -5
antler raven head Camp robber stealing beads
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Post by 3balls on Jun 19, 2008 16:37:32 GMT -5
Thank you That is so cool I wish I could carve, it is a great piece
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Post by longtrail on Jun 19, 2008 23:30:55 GMT -5
your welcome.
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Post by redthunder on Jul 7, 2008 20:44:20 GMT -5
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Post by joanne2 on Jul 8, 2008 1:16:22 GMT -5
Nice beads RT!
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Post by longtrail on Jul 8, 2008 8:50:20 GMT -5
VEry nice large white hearts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't it fascinating to hold the old ones and wonder where they have been and whose hands they pass through to get to ours. Thanks. dlt
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Post by redthunder on Jul 8, 2008 11:03:10 GMT -5
thanks pj.,
dlt, yep they are great old beads, the large white heart is about 120 years, the eyebeads dont know the year, the striped blue/grey/red ones is Sioux beads., i have some old ponybeads size 8/0 rose white heart that are very nice, thats for sure fascinating to hold the old ones.,
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Post by hannes on Jul 8, 2008 13:07:33 GMT -5
i have now learnt of dead frogskins, old presidents and more. those beads are beautifull. why are they called trade beads?
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Post by longtrail on Jul 8, 2008 15:23:50 GMT -5
Hannes ~ My beads are believed to be from the 18oo's or so and were traded in the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade and even before as the Russians traded beads with the Natives of our west coast. Beads were traded by the European to the Natives of the plains and all the way back to the east coast. Beads were traded along with other "white man" accoutrements. Pony beads, the ones larger than seed beads, got their name from being packed on ponies to the far reaches of the wilderness to trade for furs etc. The whole Rocky MOuntain Fur Trade era is so interesting. The wilderness was wild, but at the same time there was so much documentation both in written descriptions and paintings, both by the Natives and Europeans. From companies in St. Louis who sold their wares to the traders, but also from individual trappers and fort ledgers to tell us what sort of beads and other goods were traded. Anyway, someone else pipe in, I gotta go work an elk. dlt
I know a lot of trade beads came to this country from Africa as well as other countries Hannes. Infact I bet if you type in African Trade beads you will be able to get informaion on the trading from where you are. When we watch program about some of the people and nations from your country, I always look at the beads they are wearing. Very interesting varieties, and still being traded I'm sure.
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Post by longtrail on Jul 8, 2008 16:41:15 GMT -5
While living in Colorado my son and I did some traveling to the locations of old forts and fort sites. One fort, damn, can't remember the name now, was east of Johnstown a ways and was unfortunately located between opposing directions of four lane highway. It was being rebuilt using adobe as the remains of the origional fort were made of. The visitors center was closed and no one around so we couldn't go inside for more information. It was pretty much open and we wandered around inside the walls in the yard. I saw a large ant hill and upon looking closer, found a small, irregular shaped, off- white bead, about a small pony bead size. I couldn't help but wonder how long it had been there and the stories it could tell. We found another fort site but it was only a marker. Not too far from the other one. dlt Digging back into the folds of my brain, Fort Padre came to mind. Will have to check google, now I'm curious.
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Post by beaudro on Jul 8, 2008 18:21:27 GMT -5
Love those white hearts, Cornaline d'aleppo , those are Venetian beads as of 1830, after that they were made in Czech and France. The Green hearts were older, all the way back to the 1600's. Hudson Bay was big on these. Blue padre beads, sky blue was real common, came from china.
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