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Post by longtrail on Feb 23, 2008 21:47:08 GMT -5
My sincere apology to anyone I might have offended during my pathetic attempt at word~play while discussing the art of brain tanning. LT
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Post by Grizz on Feb 23, 2008 23:00:12 GMT -5
I don't know who ya might have offended but, I wouldn't worry about it too much...all of us around here got thick skins if ya know what I mean I like your straight forward-no BS style of explaining things. It gets the point across without beating around the bush. Grizz
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Post by longtrail on Feb 24, 2008 0:10:11 GMT -5
Thanks Grizz, I guess my fear of being banned from the site is over. F'n A !
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Post by beaudro on Feb 24, 2008 0:51:00 GMT -5
I just can't wait to hear your secrets, keep on !
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Post by longtrail on Feb 24, 2008 21:17:22 GMT -5
Secrets?
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Post by beaudro on Feb 24, 2008 22:01:04 GMT -5
secrets.. the trick to how you tan so easy, can't wait for the video!
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Post by longtrail on Feb 25, 2008 11:02:35 GMT -5
Thanks for being interested. And we will be working on it. My camera manual suggests not using the camera when it is too cold. so we are waiting for a break in the weather. Just a tease, we have a youngun cowboy rancher kid (20's) who we taught how to tan using our method. He only started about 2 months ago, learning and getting the steps down. He made over a grand in three weeks recently. His hides don't come out as lofty as ours but are plenty soft and obviously sellable. I am really torn between just spilling my guts and telling you the little things that make such an incredible difference. But at the same time want to be able to cash in a bit like all the rest of the people who make dvd and sell book. I realize that once the info is out, all anyone has to do is post it on any site and it is free info for anyone who wants to read it. Joe and I have been discussing this dilema we have. I don't want anyone to try our method, without the little hints, and have it not work for them and then say "Dinsmore's Pre-smoke method sucks". Because it doesn't. We are not so up on all the promotion aspect and sales, I'd have to start at ground zero, there isn't anything to stop those with those connections to just use our method for their own profit, but I guess thats life. eh? I am sure "he who walks on lye~water" is not real happy with me at this point anyway. I find dishonesty repulsive. What are your thoughts on my dilema?
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Post by Cody ( The Patriot ) on Feb 25, 2008 11:42:44 GMT -5
Dear Uncle Sam trusted me with some of his secrets and wouldnt do anything to compromise the well being of a old Texas girl or her video .I used to make country furniture before I started building cabinets and I would go to craft shows to build up my clientel and if I had a idea that sold real good it wouldnt be no time till a few outhers would have copies so close I would have to put my hands on it before I knew if I built it folks are out there that cant design anything but dont mind stealing you thunder.My dad was a Detective in the crime lab in Dallas when Kenedy got shot ,well he went and colected the evedence and every magazine out there hit him up for what he had and ofered him considerable money for it and cops aint rich but my Dad had a integrety that few have and wouldnt sell what he thought wasnt public knowledge even though some were to make a long story short 30 years later after retiring and dozens of books were being printed on the subject my cousin convinced him that the truth needed to be told .The problem was so many books had been printed already that Dad said didnt have anything true in them but the pres. name but were more interesting (fiction is more exciting than truth.)that his book didnt do all that well though still being printed (they self published) like you decided to make the money instead of some publisher.Any way yall do whats best for yall we are all going to buy it anyway even if somebody stold it .Heck I watch braintaning videos all day for entertainment heck I reconize you and Joe like yall are my neibors .Just like reading the Bible no mater how many times you read it one time you will read something that just stuck out just when you needed it .Wow long winded this morning huh.
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Post by chuck on Feb 25, 2008 23:53:44 GMT -5
AMEN to what Cody said....ALL OF IT chuck
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Post by joanne on Feb 26, 2008 6:28:01 GMT -5
You and the Dinsmore brothers already are heroes to me! You can be sure that I'll be working on trying to figure out how to combine using the washers with your guys method. Didn't think there was anything new under the sun or that there were any secrets to braintanning hides but realize now there are definately different ways to look at things. Think I may have been further ahead in the long run to have NEVER bucked any hides. Sorry if this last statement offends some but I've spent a LOT of time and effort doing this BOTH ways! To no avail. If it comes down to the only reason that you find bucking useful is if you want to kill bacteria..well that is just not a good enough reason to me to use it. I personally will just avoid allowing the bacteria to manifest.. OR pig out! I can't say the same for the alum taw crap.. I really like using it on the furs and I am actually sorry that I've spent so much time and energy trying to braintan furs(without all the wire stretchers)ALL these little variables sure do make a Large difference, now. I guess some just can't win now! Doesn't this doeskin look like it was flattened out with a steamroller? Wilecoyote and the roadrunner? There are only a certain few who are going to actually employ your braintanning methods anyway, lt. I do agree that once folks 'catch on' they will find your hidetanning method to be 'easier'. There isn't a doubt in my mind. I've been doing this long enough to easily recognize the 'difference'. The bottom line is that you're all promoting others to make use of the deerskins. What could be a lost art may have a much greater chance of being saved because you had the integrity to be generous enough to freely help out others. So it's hard to put a price on that. A priceless 'gift'. Hard to realize the full scope of that. You have far greater assets than what money can buy. Money can sure make one comfortable but some of the greatest treasures are those things that money doesn't buy so the choice here is completely up to everyone. There are plenty who will recognize your efforts. The ones who have actually earned their points by working hard for what they have. You'll recognize by seeing them want to kick their own butts!.. why didn't I see this sooner? ? It is just a part of what you and the Dinsmores do and have done, Victoria Longtrail. It is just what you do. Heroes don't think of anything that they do as heroic. It is just what they feel in their hearts is the right thing to do. God bless you guys.
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Post by longtrail on Feb 26, 2008 10:20:37 GMT -5
Aw Shucks. Thanks P.
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Post by paskinner on Feb 27, 2008 10:02:42 GMT -5
Each to their own. I'm not set on any method of braintanning, but having used all the methods I know of, including pre-smoke, bucking just plain works and works well, if done right. It makes hides consistantly easier to soften than non bucking methods.
But I listen to, watch and read anything about braintanning I can get my hands on because I believe all the braintanners out there have something to teach me.
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Post by Cody ( The Patriot ) on Feb 27, 2008 10:17:32 GMT -5
Aint it so. I build cabinets and folks say Im good at it but I learned things from alot of my cabinet making freinds one thing from one and a small thing from anouther and the finished product is better than anyone of them alone I say this humblely for sure what I have is a product of many just like America we all came from somewhere else to come here and combine our knowledge to make us(the finished product ) great .
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Post by beaudro on Feb 27, 2008 10:45:37 GMT -5
I got my first hide from Paskinner, a long time back. I fell in love with the stuff real fast. As I started tanning my own I tried hard to find an easy way, contrary to what I was told, but I learned real soon that it was an art I couldn't beat with little knowledge. In other words, you have to be pretty good at this before you can discover an easier way of doing it. Joanne you may have done just that, you are good at it, and you have done plenty of it. Once I got over the learning curve and got my procedure down I just sort of keep to one thing and try to do it often. I love a good experiment though and if I happen to get a pressure washer I'll damn sure try your method. When I started tanning I took advice from a few people that had never even done this, boy was that a train wreck. So from now on I will NOT-- attempt to soften a hide in the dryer on cool cycle.(don't forget to add tennis shoes),, or , if I don't have the right tool to dry scrape I will NOT use the wahl beard trimmer to remove deer hair. OR.... leave a hide stretched in the frame over night in a warm dry place so that it will SELF DRY and soften.. these things didn't work for me... but then again, I cheated and didn't follow what the experts told me to do.
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Post by joanne on Feb 27, 2008 12:41:34 GMT -5
Well make sure and get the turbo nozzle to go with the washer because without one of those gizmo's the washers just don't work worth diddly.. amazin'! Look at this skin. I think it's going to be really interesting to see how all these stacked and salted skins from the processors works out with the washer.. You know salted and stacked hides is another form of Modern Tanning steps.. nothing 'traditional' about this practice and also a practice that is highly ignored. The taxidermists that I have spoken to will assure me that the salt is used to help open the fiber structure and KEEP it open. So only good things to learn here and things that may save myself some effort.. I'm not about to argue tanning practices and methods here with anyone. :-) Power washers aren't cheap, I can tell you without a doubt that the expense isn't a small one in any way but geez they are sure cool and do an absolutely neat job!.. it takes a lot of the yuck out of this stuff and isn't nearly as messy as you might think.. could be but a little common sense helps. I will like to use some of the tips that I learned from the Dinsmore's method on my own skins in the future.. I did have a sneak preview and out of respect for the Dinsmores.. my lips are SEALED.. would you believe that??? I'm still not sure how best to combine it with what I'm doing now! But you can bet that I'll be taking what she wrote me very seriously. I can say from what I can see is that PA Skinner has overlooked something in his use of Dinsmores tanning method.. the reason he has is because the Dinsmore's themselved haven't revised their already published braintanning methods.. like Matt Richards has to include this acidifying measure I might add.
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