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Post by Grizz on Feb 20, 2008 20:50:34 GMT -5
Here's my new baby ;D 1872 Open Top 44 Colt by Cimmaron Arms
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Feb 20, 2008 22:26:04 GMT -5
she's purdy what ya name her
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Post by Cody ( The Patriot ) on Feb 20, 2008 23:17:57 GMT -5
Is that what they call a conversion?
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Feb 21, 2008 13:16:36 GMT -5
i'll answer for grizz on this.that is not a conversion.they look similiar.a conversion was a cap and ball revolver converted to shoot cartridges,by adding a conversion ring to the recoil shield. a channel was milled in the right side of the recoil shield to accept bullets.a ejector housing was also added to some models.colt did these conversions around 1871.you could send your old cap and ball revolver to have it factory converted or buy one already converted.they did this until they ran out of cap n ball parts they had in stock.when that happened in late 1871 early 1872,they came out with a new gun called the 1871-72 open top.it did not have a conversion ring on it,and had a easier to manufactor ejector housing on it.they only made these open tops for a short time.they actually had the peacemaker on the drawing boards at this time.the peacemaker came out for military use sometime in 1873 replaceing cap n ball revolvers,conversions and open tops. their is 3 different conversions colt used.the first was done to the 1860 army only and was called the richards conversion.the firing pin was a floating button inside the conversion ring.the conversion ring had a rear sight made on top of it.it also had a ejector that fit in the holes that was left from the loading lever. the second is now called the type II richards.it had a new designed conversion ring with the firing pin attached to the hammer and the rear sight a notch cut into the nose of the hammer.it to was done only to the 1860 army.the 3rd is the richard-mason conversion,the most popular one.it was avilible to all cap n ball models.it had the same conversion ring as the richards typeII but with a new design ejector,that attached to the barrel by a screw.later richard-mason's had a new designed barrel that did not have the cut out area to load the ball as on cap n ball.the richard-mason and the open tops look very much alike.i'll try and find some pictures to post of each models.that folks is your rough history leason for the day
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Post by beaudro on Feb 21, 2008 14:13:12 GMT -5
I seen a copy of the colt patterson, I think it was cabella's maybe, I sort of liked that gun and want to try it out, what do you think of that for an authentic replica?
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Post by cooner on Feb 21, 2008 18:28:08 GMT -5
Thanks fer the lesson Billy. I was wondering about that tiny lil' ramrod on the side a the barrel. That pistole takes those new fangled bullets in a hull, don't it?
In any case, it sure is purty!
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Feb 21, 2008 19:03:02 GMT -5
the colt patterson replicas that i have seen are very true to the real ones.there is some minor differences.the ones made by uberti are better made.when the patternson were originally sold they were sold with a spare cylinder(i read to much).dixie gun works at one time carried spare cylinders for them.i think they are allowed at rendezvous,even though it's doubtful a mountain man had one,that would be a auethenic way to carry one.they are very handsome guns. most originals had timeing problems(again i read to much)the cylinder would not line up with the barrel when cocked.i've never heard of that being a problem with the replicas
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Post by beaudro on Feb 21, 2008 19:07:49 GMT -5
I havn't seen a rendezvous yet that would allow a cap n ball, patterson was started early enough, but I guess it's the thing about not seeing one in documents or paintings. I was pushing for them at one time and couldn't get it to go through with the small clubs, the issue there was expense, more people would need to buy one more gun, and ammo and so on. I'm still going to get one someday, i think it would be fun to play with.
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Feb 21, 2008 19:11:16 GMT -5
heres some picture of the patterson note how the trigger folds up the powder measure would load all 5 cylinders at one time,also pictured is a loading tool for the 1836 model with no loading lever a bullet mold and some kind of early capper is in the case set.i would like to see how the capper works
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Feb 21, 2008 19:44:16 GMT -5
i seen two different guy at the southwestern rendezvous back in'05 carrying pattersons.a vendor there was selling guns had all his cap n ball revolvers covered up including a patterson.i was told at that rendezvous you could carry them. i guess it just depends on the "booshway"
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Post by beaudro on Feb 21, 2008 21:58:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing a few at the rendezvous, i've seen bad stuff and good stuff, I think there has been a few that snuck in a cap n ball a few times but wasn't able to shoot competition. I think at the buckrub voo we should be allowed to do so, that sounds like a pretty good idea of getting together for something. I'm hoping someone from oklahoma shows up in here, i need a buddy to work hides with and do other projects. I'm out of beer money too, maybe thats why i can't find a good buddy??
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Feb 21, 2008 22:18:24 GMT -5
i would like to see a rendezvous type of event that allowed 1820-1875.most of the legends from the old west made there name during that time.ole jim bridger made his self famous during the fur trade but was still very active scouting for the army in the late 1860's.they just didn't go away after 1840.buffalo bill cody made hisself famous during the 1860's.if not for him none of this would be as popular as it is.the west was still wild and woolly during this time.maybe the buck rub voo can be the start of something new.can you imagine mountain men and buffalo hunters at the same voo?that would be something to see. yeppers thats when most of your buddies like to run out on you ,when the beer goes dry so does the company
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Post by Cody ( The Patriot ) on Feb 22, 2008 10:00:38 GMT -5
Your right Billy the west didnt stop cause the beaver did neither did Mountain Men alot of them famous ones didnt even get to the mountains till after 1840
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Post by Grizz on Mar 10, 2008 23:38:01 GMT -5
here's a couple pics of the new belt and holster I got for it
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Post by redthunder on Mar 11, 2008 3:31:22 GMT -5
nice looking belt and holster, as well the colt, it reminds me i have a couple of holster that was made a long time ago, and have nearly forgot them even if they are on the wall in my workshop., it´s the two ones to left i´m thinking fits you cowboys.,
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