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Post by paweaver on Mar 18, 2008 16:31:13 GMT -5
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Post by beaudro on Mar 19, 2008 6:56:35 GMT -5
I did some researching, your really onto something, the Ursaline Nuns, a Roman Catholic , and it goes way back , i found information on them in 1590, but nothing on the crafts, It's real interesting about the style of embroidery and the floral patterns, I've always wondered where that came from. I'm not much help on the quest, but i'm following your endeavour not far behind. I stumbled onto some history that mentions Italy as much as the French, it's not giving any clues on moose hair of course. Maybe someone on that other board will have something.
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Post by paskinner on Mar 19, 2008 9:32:49 GMT -5
Ok, try not to laugh too hard, but this is my first attempt. Probably three hours of work, it's slow going.
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Post by beaudro on Mar 19, 2008 13:30:21 GMT -5
you wanna laugh? i'll show you my first quill work... or my second,, third ,, and I got you beat for comedy maybe. At least you'll be ready when it's time to use the moosehair.
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Mar 19, 2008 21:57:57 GMT -5
thats cool pa
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Post by beaudro on Mar 20, 2008 18:22:31 GMT -5
Pa, i see you made it over to historical trekkers, I didn't get any answer on that question, maybe i didn't word it right, not many will touch that question however, Most everyone wants quill work and now i'm noticing that it wasn't all quills. Have you run into anything yet?
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Post by paskinner on Mar 21, 2008 16:29:30 GMT -5
beaudro, From what we've come up with so far, you are correct about it being done similar to quillwork, but we haven't been able to track down the referernce to the nuns using it.
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Post by paskinner on Mar 27, 2008 21:43:46 GMT -5
Here is my latest attempt with the moose hair. I like doing the flowers better than the long stuff, because it seems easier to cover the ends when you piece more in. Quillwork must be easier, at least you're only dealing with a singe 'strand' there. But this stuff sort of grows on ya.
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Post by beaudro on Mar 31, 2008 8:37:07 GMT -5
looking good pa, thats a good looking start anyway.
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Post by paskinner on Mar 31, 2008 10:04:00 GMT -5
The northern tribes did a lot of cool hair embroidery. This pic is caribou hair on seal skin.
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Mar 31, 2008 12:17:20 GMT -5
man thats some good work, i like the way that seal skin looks
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Post by paskinner on May 9, 2008 17:54:21 GMT -5
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Post by paskinner on May 9, 2008 18:04:52 GMT -5
One of my latest attempts. Working on a couple more, but they arent finished.
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Post by beaudro on May 10, 2008 1:02:03 GMT -5
That embroidery is looking better all the time PA, beats my quill work which i have not tried again in months. McCord, Peabody, and several other museums just won't spend the effort to describe peices of history well enough. I don't see any quill on that bag, and yet they describe it as porcupine quill. They put enough effort into it to find out it's cotton thread, if thats true, and it's possible since they date that 1840-1900, but it lacks a good description of everything else. It's my theory they get an artifact and whoever is available to make a description of it gets the job. Sometimes thats a weak link for researchers. I'm seeing more re-creation replica artifacts on display in major museums. Maybe funding is low , go figure.
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Post by paskinner on Jun 16, 2008 16:32:32 GMT -5
Got THE book on hair embroidery for father's day. "Hair Embroidery in Siberia and North America By Geoffrey Turner.
This book answered most of my questions on the history of hair embroidery, and confirmed some of what I'd picked up elsewhere on methods, but if you go to buy it, prepare to dig deep into your wallet! Liza got a deal at over 60 bucks, but it's worth it for me.
A couple comments on things we have already discussed: Yes the hair was sometimes taken through the leather (true embroidery) The leather or cloth was backed with birchbark so that it held it's shape and held the hair. They also did a lot of moosehair and quill work on birchbark containers. But most of the Huron work that was done on buckskin seems to have been single line work, lots of floral patterns. Another thing I never fully realized is how much of this work was sold overseas to Victorian type folks and how huge of an industry this was. Another book with lots of examples of moosehair embroidery is "Trading Identities." by Ruth Philips
I don't think anyone really knows if the Huron were doing moosehair work on buckskin before the nuns. I tend to think yes, because they did have false embroidery with the hair and I'm of the opinion that most forms of artwork are not so much discovered as re-discovered as cultures change. What has been will be again....
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