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Post by paskinner on Mar 16, 2008 17:10:17 GMT -5
Does anyone have any sources for instruction in this craft? Even some good close up examples would be great. I have plenty of moose hair, but need to know if it is done the way I'm thinking.
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Post by beaudro on Mar 16, 2008 23:50:41 GMT -5
native tech? is that a good one for you? the false embroidery they show on there is used on the twining that paweaver has helped me on.
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Post by paskinner on Mar 17, 2008 8:46:37 GMT -5
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Post by beaudro on Mar 17, 2008 12:36:37 GMT -5
good website , your into some good stuff. How many projects can you do at one time? I think I got about 20 going at once. I got the book paweaver suggested and i'm working on twining, if i get good at that i'm going for false embroidery, then i got another sash started, and i've always got a hide or two going, and i've got leather projects, and I"ve got flax and mandan corn to grow, and.... you get the picture hahaha.
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Post by paskinner on Mar 17, 2008 13:17:14 GMT -5
;D Well, I don't know if I've got that many. Spend more time braintanning and cutting firewood than anything, but I'm also writing a book, and got a ton of stuff I'd still like to learn, like bow making, even got someone who will show me, if I take the time.
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Post by hannes on Mar 18, 2008 0:20:21 GMT -5
probably writing this in the wrong place,but basically following the "drift" of the conversation. i dont know how people can find time to even switch on the tv. between quilting, as in amish, buckskin, harnessing,alumtan,braiding bridles(cant wait to post a picture of my bruce grant bridle which took me 4 months to do and used 450 meters of thong ) also would like to do horsehair ? ( forgot the name now) it is where you put the horse hair on little bobbins and do a kind of lace, maybe called brooky lace? as in panty lace? dont know if it makes sense to any one? i am trying to repeat what some one else said earlier on this forum, in this life, i dont think there is enough time to do all the things that i would like to master.
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Post by joanne2 on Mar 18, 2008 6:14:25 GMT -5
Yeah this comment is probably in the wrong place too but I think we are in the midst of the 'supernatural' here. This is part of an argument that I have going on the Hoodlum forum.. www.survival.com with PA Skinner. QUOTE(Paulette @ Mar 15 2008, 03:08 PM) Annie, I wouldn't put my own skins in a caustic solution, why should I put deer or elk or any other skin in one? I know I've met plenty of folks that have defied logic. Follow your heart?? Try using your brain. There's a lot of brain dead.com's out there! They will tell you anything with conviction and expect you to 'buy' it. I'm not buying it and somethings always been there to stick out like a warning flag telling me that something just doesn't float. PA SKINNER: Ya mean those last 600 hides I did were not good? Golly, I feel so dumb. Wait a minute, that means I gotta go tell Bob K all his hides are no good too! Bet he'll be dissappointed. Funny, nobody complains...if the caustic solution is a no-no, why do ya suppose the folks who are making water drums out of 'em and beating the living daylights out of the hides arent tearing right through 'em? Hmmm....carry on, don't pay me no mind! Joanne2 the 'split' personality says:Boy these guys ARE good. This morning PA is telling me that he is tanning two hides at one time side by side using two different tanning methods. Matt Richards and Dinsmore's.. I'm thinking to myself that this guy is really amazing. I quit really this is some kind of race and I'm feeling like some kind of turtle and if I stick my neck out there's going to be someone standing around with a splitting maul.
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Post by beaudro on Mar 18, 2008 6:41:32 GMT -5
Pa, i led your conversation away from your topic, I apologize for that, have you found anything out about embroidry with moose hair? There is a small bit of it mentioned in the book I have, quill workers companion, you got me to thinking on it, but i have yet to find anything that gives a description of how to actually do it. I'm still trying to figure out twining, i'm a long way from false or real embroidery. I"ll try to post a pic of my sash, i did accomplish that not too long ago.
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Post by paskinner on Mar 18, 2008 8:41:23 GMT -5
Joanne2 the 'split' personality says:Boy these guys ARE good. This morning PA is telling me that he is tanning two hides at one time side by side using two different tanning methods. Matt Richards and Dinsmore's.. I'm thinking to myself that this guy is really amazing. I quit really this is some kind of race and I'm feeling like some kind of turtle and if I stick my neck out there's going to be someone standing around with a splitting maul. Really, it's not so hard to tan two side by side using different methods, the only key is remembering which is which. When you have to make a living off this stuff being effecient is unfortunately a necessity-and tanning 300 hides a year is not unheard of. I'm starting to realize that many folks arent really that interested in being effeciant, they just want a simple method, which is cool, but really not an option for me. Simple and easy aren't always the same thing. I really like you ojibwa style beadwork, btw. Have any moose hair? ;D
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Post by paskinner on Mar 18, 2008 8:44:38 GMT -5
beaudro, Hey, do you know where in that book it mentions moose hair? I have the book. I can't really find a decscription anywhere either, but basically, you're using the hair in place of thread and only the long mane hairs work well. They are white underneath. That's if I'm doing it right. Any book on embroidery should be a help.
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Post by joanne2 on Mar 18, 2008 8:46:56 GMT -5
No I don't happen to have any moose hair. Haven't seen any moose around this neck of the woods, PA. I highly suggest that you get yourself a 3500 psi belt driven pressure washer for the next 150 moose you plan to flesh and tan.. hell, why mess with WT at all, why not go for the big BUCKS$$$?? You keep tanning 300 deerskins a year and you will be requiring physical therapy. maybe it will be a necesssity and you will wonder why you didn't check out all the angles yourself.
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Post by paskinner on Mar 18, 2008 11:09:43 GMT -5
Moose are too much work for me, haven't done one in years. Too hard to get the hides here, too. Got nothing against power washers, might get one one day. All this tanning is good excersize, shoot, if those little native women could do it...it's not all brawn.
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Post by beaudro on Mar 18, 2008 13:50:34 GMT -5
PA, I may have been reading too many books, i have looked back and I would have sworn its was in that quill book, but I guess i'm wrong. whatever it was just mentioned it breifly however, as if "yes, it was done". I know I have seen it in pictures, and if i'm correct it is much like straight line quill work?? but with hair you wrap it around your linen thread,,,, i'll keep looking as i may have to correct myself.
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Post by paweaver on Mar 18, 2008 16:05:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure, but from what I've read the moose hair embroidery came about because the nuns ran out of thread. It that was the case than the hair would not have been wrapped around thread. Maybe someone knows more?
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Post by beaudro on Mar 18, 2008 16:16:10 GMT -5
thats interesting , i know i've seen it as false embroidery, but you are talking about true embroidery for sure, hope this project turns out good , have you tried asking karl , he would know.
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