Post by longtrail on Mar 23, 2008 14:09:51 GMT -5
Hey Pa.
You forgot to mention what you said on the Hoodlum site about Dinsmore's method making a loftier finished hide and that you thought it must be from the prestretching.
Guess what grasshopper your right.
Personally I think a loftier hide is a much nicer looking and feeling hide. Below is a photo of some mocs made with a hide which was purchesed from the buckers in Cave Junction Oregon. Notice the flat appearance of the hide with next to no loft at all.
I take it this is a common appearance of finished hides for those who buck ~as you commented our method produced that loft and your hide you bucked didn't have it. You said that on Hoodlum site.
Then notice the photos below the moccasins. Notice the loft of the hide compared to the lack of loft on the bucked cavejunction hide.
Now I just gotta tell yall that the photo below the cave junction hide moccasins is of a properly prestretched hide which I prestretched today and is still on the frame as I type. So if a person can have this much loft on a prestretched hide it is no wonder the finished lofty velvety softened hide is superior to the dense finished bucked hide.
Then below the photos of my prestretched hide is a pair of mocs made from our method. We didn't make the moccasins but the maker who use to purchase bucked hides from the cavejunction bucking hoarde now buys only from us. Saying our hides are better to work with as there is not a lot of stretch in them and the loft and texture is far superior. But thats just his opinion.
We always recommend using a frame that is not stationary so the hide can be worked from different directions. I question your ability to prestretch a hide like the one I did today using a stationary frame.
But then perhaps you are just a big strong boy.
Photos below.
From your photo of your elk~ because it is not a close up and is a bit blurry~ it is hard to tell what sort of loft is on it. Nice hide but looks crinkly maybe just how you had it folded. Here is ours for a reminder. Notice loft and soft folds due to the prestretching step. I'd like to see a photo of the neck portion of your elk hide from the side to see the thickness and loft.
Not meaning to pick your hide apart but basically just want to compare ~ like you wanted to compare methods. Proof is in the photos right?
One of the advantages of out method is working with the end product and not having a pair of pants that start out as as size 34x36 end up a size 38x42 when all the stretching is done happening from wearing them.
So unless your prestretching looks like the photo I included of the one I prestretched today then your not prestretching according to our directions. If you are then good. Must by why you got a nice loft on the hide that you used the "Legendary" Dinsmore's method on. Would like to thank you for the "legendary" compliment cause we feel it's true too. haha.
Projects for today! Soften one~prestretch one~ hang four prebrained hides to dry~ make sifter for sifting fossil dirt~ all Done!! So off to the site. Later Dlt
You forgot to mention what you said on the Hoodlum site about Dinsmore's method making a loftier finished hide and that you thought it must be from the prestretching.
Guess what grasshopper your right.
Personally I think a loftier hide is a much nicer looking and feeling hide. Below is a photo of some mocs made with a hide which was purchesed from the buckers in Cave Junction Oregon. Notice the flat appearance of the hide with next to no loft at all.
I take it this is a common appearance of finished hides for those who buck ~as you commented our method produced that loft and your hide you bucked didn't have it. You said that on Hoodlum site.
Then notice the photos below the moccasins. Notice the loft of the hide compared to the lack of loft on the bucked cavejunction hide.
Now I just gotta tell yall that the photo below the cave junction hide moccasins is of a properly prestretched hide which I prestretched today and is still on the frame as I type. So if a person can have this much loft on a prestretched hide it is no wonder the finished lofty velvety softened hide is superior to the dense finished bucked hide.
Then below the photos of my prestretched hide is a pair of mocs made from our method. We didn't make the moccasins but the maker who use to purchase bucked hides from the cavejunction bucking hoarde now buys only from us. Saying our hides are better to work with as there is not a lot of stretch in them and the loft and texture is far superior. But thats just his opinion.
We always recommend using a frame that is not stationary so the hide can be worked from different directions. I question your ability to prestretch a hide like the one I did today using a stationary frame.
But then perhaps you are just a big strong boy.
Photos below.
From your photo of your elk~ because it is not a close up and is a bit blurry~ it is hard to tell what sort of loft is on it. Nice hide but looks crinkly maybe just how you had it folded. Here is ours for a reminder. Notice loft and soft folds due to the prestretching step. I'd like to see a photo of the neck portion of your elk hide from the side to see the thickness and loft.
Not meaning to pick your hide apart but basically just want to compare ~ like you wanted to compare methods. Proof is in the photos right?
One of the advantages of out method is working with the end product and not having a pair of pants that start out as as size 34x36 end up a size 38x42 when all the stretching is done happening from wearing them.
So unless your prestretching looks like the photo I included of the one I prestretched today then your not prestretching according to our directions. If you are then good. Must by why you got a nice loft on the hide that you used the "Legendary" Dinsmore's method on. Would like to thank you for the "legendary" compliment cause we feel it's true too. haha.
Projects for today! Soften one~prestretch one~ hang four prebrained hides to dry~ make sifter for sifting fossil dirt~ all Done!! So off to the site. Later Dlt