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Post by beaudro on Apr 22, 2008 16:08:29 GMT -5
I had real trouble trying to figure where this topic fit, but this will work i suppose. I have been on many events where EVERYTHING was period correct,, i mean right down to the toilet paper. Since it wasn't around back in the fur trade, i know because i double checked, you have to just about guess what was used. This is a good time to find out what poison ivy looks like. But none the less, i think it's going too far when your not allowed modern tp. If required it's best to have it hidden behind your choice of bushes somewhere, a coffee can with the lid works good to keep it dry. Most rendezvous will provide adequate means of privies, but if thats not the case, I'd stand up for myself and refuse the leaves or whatever else is suggested. I don't know of any documents stating what was used in history, please reply if you got any ideas.
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Post by cooner on Apr 22, 2008 18:16:05 GMT -5
Good ole Sears and Roebuck, I reckon!!! Wait a minute, what time period? Oh, furtrade. Well,....maybe they used good ol' leaves and then set down in the crick for a good washin'.
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Apr 23, 2008 12:29:01 GMT -5
i've wondered on that some. might had used old scraps of buck skins. wouldn't that feel good on the tush ;D. i read a book that was based on fact, about frontier scouts during the late 1860's and it made mention of a scout getting a corn cob out of his knap sack that he kepted in a smaller canvas sack along with spare cobs. going to the river or creek, tending to his business and washing the cob when finished. i'll just sneak my tp in how ever i can. i don't mind not being period correct on that part
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Post by paweaver on Apr 23, 2008 18:59:57 GMT -5
I know that this might be more info that you ask for... Two years ago I help teach a Bible School where we focused on a different Country every day. I tried to come up with fun weird facts from each country for my pre teen group. I found out that the first toilet paper was made in China. So I relooked it up for you. Enjoy!
>> When and where was toilet paper first invented? <<
*China…AD 1391 - The Bureau of Imperial Supplies began producing 720,000 sheets of toilet paper a year, each sheet measuring two feet by three feet. For use by the Emperors. *USA…1857 - New Yorker Joseph C. Gayetty produced the first packaged bathroom tissue in the United States in 1857. The Gayetty Firm from New Jersey produced the first toilet paper named "The Therapeutic Paper". It contained an abundance of aloe, a curative addition. The company sold it in packs of 500 sheets for fifty cents, and Joseph Gayetty had his name printed on each sheet! *USA…1890 - The Scott Paper Company is the first company to manufacture tissue on a roll, specifically for the use of toilet paper. Faced with the consumers' resistance toward the "unmentionable" product, Scott came up with the idea of customizing rolls for every merchant-customer they had. Under this private-label arrangement, Scott purchased large "jumbo" rolls of paper from various paper mills and converted them into packages of small rolls and stacked sheets. *Great Britain…1880- British Perforated Paper Company
>> When was the first roll of toilet paper made and by whom? <<
Scott Paper Company marketed the first rolls of toilet paper. The Company was founded in 1879 by brothers E. Irvin and Clarence Scott in Philadelphia and specialized in producing toilet paper. At first they purchased paper and tissue from outside suppliers and cut, rolled and packaged the paper. They converted large parent rolls of tissue into small rolls and stacked sheets and began to market the product through drug and variety stores under private label names. Then, in 1896, Irvin's son Arthur joined the company at the age of 21. He convinced his father and uncle to phase out their private label business and concentrate on their own brand names. With this, Scott purchased the private label name Waldorf from a Philadelphian 'paper jobber' named Albert DeCernea in 1902 and began producing this as their first brand name. As sales grew, it became evident that production changes were necessary to guarantee consistency. In 1910, Scott bought an abandoned soap factory in Chester, 5 miles south of Philadelphia for $85,000 and began making their own parent rolls of tissue, 72" wide at 150-200 feet per minute instead of buying from others. Rolls were sold with either 650 or 1,000 perforated sheets. In 1915, Scott installed an advanced, high-speed Fourdrinier papermaking machine. It made paper 148" wide at 500 feet per minute. In 1921, their brand, Waldorf represented 64% of Scott's total case sales. By 1925 Scott became the leading toilet paper company in the world. (On July 17, 1995 Scott was acquired by Kimberly Clark)
>> Early Marketing <<
The roll did not easily fit into the consumer market at first. At the time, society did not speak of the subject frequently. It was quite 'unmentionable" to talk about this product in the conservative, Victorian era. However, during this time indoor plumbing was improving and the public had a desire for better hygiene.
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>> An early advertisement <<
Scott advertisements were suggesting that "over 65% of middle-aged men and women suffered from some sort of rectal disease". Inferior toilet paper was deemed to be responsible. It was printed in Scott advertisements that "harsh toilet tissue may cause serious injury". The ad said " ScotTissue, Sani-tissue and Waldorf are famous bathroom tissues specifically processed to satisfy the three requirements doctors say toilet tissue must have to be safe: absorbency-softness-chemical purity". Each sheet, it said was made of "thirsty fibers." Scott tissue was made from the finest ingredients and "they are neither acid nor alkaline in reaction. Each sheet is fully sterilized in manufacture" it read.
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Post by paweaver on Apr 23, 2008 19:05:46 GMT -5
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Post by beaudro on Apr 23, 2008 23:17:20 GMT -5
thats good stuff PA, (no pun intended). I've heard of the therapeutic paper before, i read about some of the cattlemen even being able to buy it. I don't suppose anyone would have mentioned it their personal journals what they used, I attended an encampment once where no modern paper was to be had, most everyone suffered greatly. I honestly gave up and hiked back to the truck and retreived my private stash hidding in the glove box. I'm not much on botany , pine cones aren't appealing, no corn cobs were to be had, and I could only think of one thing at the time!
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Post by paweaver on Apr 26, 2008 7:33:21 GMT -5
O.K. Here is a little different spin on this. I use to ride my horse for hours at a time as a kid. If my chores were done and I got the O.K. I'd been gone anywhere for 4 to 10 hours in the woods and on the back roads. Had to find my own private tree many times. If I had a saddle I always carried that necessity paper in my saddle bags. Problem was I loved to ride bareback. I would even do all day trail rides bareback if someone Else from my family was going and I could fit my lunch in their saddlebags. That should tell you that I've had to borrow from nature at times, too. The "real" woods is nothing like where they put on these re-enactments... No mowed grass, No sticks and leaf pick up, ect...Woods are even different today than they would have been then. When we go camping up in the Allegheny Forest the undergrowth is completely different than at home. It is more open and has lots of tall ferns because it hasn't been timbered in a long time. There is even a section that has virgin timber, but you have to walk back in to it... We are going to take the kids in when they are all old enough to walk the whole way themselves.
I do enjoy the re-enactments, but many times they are not very accurate.. I mean when I camped for a week with my horse... I come home smelling like I camped with a horse for a week. My clothes would look like it too. It is not that I didn't clean up in camp or even take a swim in the creek if available and the weather was right. Even if we just camped up over the hill for the night with the horses we came home dirty.. The laundry my poor Mom did!! Re-enactments with no animals just seems so odd to me. Just think of the smell and noise level all those horses, mules, donkeys, and dogs would of added. ;D
Maybe it is different where you go, but out-up here seems like everyone wants to portray someone rich.. Ladies walking around with them there parasols and spotless ball gown clothes and we are suppose to be re-enacting the farthest outpost west at the time.... Sometimes it is hard to wrap my mind around that.
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Post by longtrail on Apr 26, 2008 9:35:32 GMT -5
Interesting info on Butt fodder.
I was never at a rendezvous that did not provide a privy and of course toilet paper. Another thing that was over looked were disposable diapers As long as the diaper was appropriately covered. Those were about the only modern items allowed.
I was at a amm doings on Henry's fork one time and one fellow from Ohio arrived with his family. They started unloading thier accoutrements and hauling them into camp and he had a large inflatable rubber bed. He was stopped and told he could not bring it into camp.... a roudy arguement ensured... and eventually he loaded up his gear and family and left. While we all felt bad that he chose to leave, we also knew it was his choice to bring items to a primitive rendezvous that were not primitive at all. If your going to play the game one needs to follow the rules. There are lots of games to choose from, choose one that is most suited to your comfort level and abilities.
I'm sure there were rendezvous much closer to him that allowed items like inflatable beds, coolers, and what ever else one takes to a non-primitive camp for comfort. Ya, Pa... I agree, I have seen those "southern belle' at rendezvous too. but it was a NMLRA shoot. And yes, hard to wrap my mind around that too. ;-)
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Post by caretaker on Apr 26, 2008 10:46:52 GMT -5
longtrail is correct about the enviornment not bring the same. I was reading an article on the American Chestnut Tree put out by the UT ag. Campus. They are tryin to produce a blight resistant strain of the American Chestnut. They linked to another site that showed how the ecology of the new world was affected by the colonization of Europeans to this country. One of the most dynamic was the introduction of the earth worm. From what I read the earth worm was not native to this country and has vzstly inpacted the ecosystem. I don`t know if the introduction of the earth worm was accidental or intentional but it still affected the enviornment. like the introduction of the starling. No natural predators and my bird feeders are over run with them. Man has always affected his enviornment and always will. I pray future generations will do a better job of takin care of this third rock than their ancestors.
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Post by jug on Apr 26, 2008 13:46:40 GMT -5
How's chop sack sound ta ya? I know cloth of chop sack was used for many things and I'm thinking most likely used for personal hygiene. Could have been burned at the fire after used.
Ya see pictures of "fur traders" carry sacks of flour, sugar, salt. Them sack went a long way in making clothes and other uses.
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