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Post by joanne2 on Jul 11, 2008 8:02:33 GMT -5
Redthunder.. nice skins. I look forward to seeing the painting on them.
PA Weaver.. The processed and spun and then corded bison wool is worth a great deal of $ made into rope(properly prepared cordage).. if you decide at some point to get into spinning your own wool bison wool is worth spinning and making into cordage. You will be able to market it for a good return if made correctly.. just for your information. If you should wish to learn more I can connect you with someone that does this. Just let me know. Perhaps there are bison farms near you?
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Post by Cody ( The Patriot ) on Jul 11, 2008 8:36:51 GMT -5
Im only makeing joke of how much work it is .I have more conection and blood to Native Americans than most want to be 's and would do nothing to disrespect any and spent 14 years defending this Nation in the Special Forces ,our Beret Crest says it best (To Liberate The Opressed) that means White Black Yellow and Red Americans I defended them all with honor and mean no disrespect so dont tread on me .Any body that cant understand that ?
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killstwo
Button Buck
I will teach you about my people, but you won't get the nice version. You'll get the truth.
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Post by killstwo on Jul 11, 2008 9:02:28 GMT -5
Joanne, The paint is natural pigment, yes, even the white. A friend of mine made it. most of the colors i make still turn out a bit strange paint it when the hide is dry...unlike parfleche. Then its all sized with very thin coat of hide glue. if the sizing is too thick, it will take away the softness of the hide. even though you paint dry, still use a bone and get the paint way down into the fibers. i rarely smoke hides. but when i do, i just start it with whatever i have. (usually the bic) even though i can get a bowdrill fire in about 20 seconds.
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Post by joanne2 on Jul 11, 2008 10:56:49 GMT -5
K, killstwo. Thank you.
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Post by beaudro on Jul 11, 2008 12:28:07 GMT -5
Once i was pretty anxious to paint a buffalo robe. I still havn't done it, but I got as far as buying the pigment from native american visions, supposedly a natural pigment. I intended on mixing it with oil . I seen a few of the women of the fur trade gals using cactus juice for sizing, was on parfleche. Never did see how that turned out.
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killstwo
Button Buck
I will teach you about my people, but you won't get the nice version. You'll get the truth.
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Post by killstwo on Jul 11, 2008 12:37:15 GMT -5
i've never bought from NA visions. But have heard lots of good things, as you have too I'm sure from the hideout. I've also heard a lot about cactus juice for sizing. the people I've talked to swear by it, but I've never used it. I think its prickly pear they use. Not real sure though.
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Post by beaudro on Jul 11, 2008 16:25:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure where i heard about NAV but it was before it changed hands , it's been a long while back when i bought pigment. I ended up using most of it for oil cloth. I think your right about the prickly pear for cactus juice. If I remember correctly those gals used several coats of it, works best if you do your work outside in the summer and it'll dry fast , in a day you can get your several coats on it. I remember seeing some beautiful parfleche that trip.
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Post by beaudro on Jul 11, 2008 16:28:29 GMT -5
Joanne, i have one of those drop spindles, i've seen people spinning wool , dog hair, and a little buffalo hair with it. It would probably take me forever but i've always wanted a buffalo rope. I might just have to start trying that.
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Post by joanne2 on Jul 11, 2008 17:40:33 GMT -5
The guy that I know that makes the bison wool ropes is Ken Smith.. surely you've read many of his posts on the Hideout. He has the wool spun for him on a wheel and then he takes that and makes it into rope. I'm pretty sure that the spun wool is plyed .. I am not sure how finely it is spun, nor how many ply's..so,.. I can give you Ken's private email in an instant message if you would like a more in depth description. He may be happy to give you a very detailed and precise and accurate description.. plus he is just a super nice person to know too.. perhaps you have met?
I know the last one he made was quite some rope! Very long. I know folks can make spun wool quite well on a drop spindle but if you're inexperienced using one.. vs extremely experienced, chances are your efforts may never reach fruition. :-) I've decided that if I ever get back to spinning any wool again it is going to be Salish style.. lanolin in the wool and large one ply yarn! Knits up quick and repels water.. how nice! and any slubs in the wool kind of add handspun character (charm) to it. I'm saving all my time consuming efforts for braintan;-).
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Post by redthunder on Jul 11, 2008 20:34:26 GMT -5
cody, i understand you well, not a big deal, think i have hard sometimes when have to write in english that not is my language.,
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Post by Cody ( The Patriot ) on Jul 11, 2008 23:24:26 GMT -5
Sorry for venting brother I understand the typed word doesnt show humor or expresion as it is ment always and everybody here doesnt know me and my years of work with the Native American people and my resect for them and my own heritage as such.I am a exteemly humble person but if I feel like Im being tredded on I may not take it .I am sorry to all I may have offended and always give people the benefit of the doubt ,I only expect the same .I would never insult anybody that didnt first exaust all my patience .
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Post by paweaver on Jul 19, 2008 5:56:45 GMT -5
Joanne, Thanks for the tip about the spun buffalo hair being a "hot" saler. However, right now I can add no more to my load.LOL I'm trying to focus on only a few things: being a mom, helping Loren, keeping up the garden, working in Dad's tin shop, and right now I have a chance each month to go work in a weaving studio with a very knowledgeable weaver. You can check out her site here. www.artsstudio.org/arts_studio.htm This door opened for me over 4 hrs ago, but I couldn't walk through it for because my children were to young. I very blessed with a lot older people in my life who have some wonderful skills that they are willing to pass down to me. I realize that now is the time to focus on learning from them . Though I keep forgetting to keep my focus and jump into things like research and flax growing and spinning. ;D
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Post by joanne2 on Jul 19, 2008 9:54:26 GMT -5
I understand totally. thanks for replying. I'd like nothing better than to just do my hobbies, that is.. (braintanning, hide tanning) but somehow life just always seems to get in the way of living.. anyway, the bison I'm sure will look far more majestic leaning on the side of the newly re-sided barn. lol, hopefully someday it will be softened and painted!
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