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Post by paskinner on Mar 12, 2008 15:21:44 GMT -5
Well done. I'm looking forward to the movie sequel too.
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Post by longtrail on Mar 12, 2008 18:25:32 GMT -5
As anyone who saw our last video knows, we do not produce an academy award winner when it comes to cinematography, but the information was good, or at least that was what we were told a few times. Don't expect this dvd to be any different. I just purchased my cam corder and between not being very familiar with it, and not at all familiar with my movie making program on my computer, well, it is scary to even think of the possibilities!!!!!!!!!!!!! I havn't seen other videos on tanning but I would imagine the filming is pretty professional. Hell I even know someone who hired an indian so it would look more authentic, then had a film crew come in. Holycrap. Should be interesting. My apologies ahead of time! Looks like another "not dances with wolves" film by the dinsmores!!!!! haha. Dlt
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Post by Cody ( The Patriot ) on Mar 12, 2008 20:52:32 GMT -5
I thought it was just fine ,Its the info that maters good info is better than a film crew.Anywho how many crews got a rooster that crows like that?HE HE
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Mar 12, 2008 21:51:10 GMT -5
yeah do you still have that rooster. he was the star of the film ;D
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Post by longtrail on Mar 13, 2008 8:57:31 GMT -5
Coyote got him. I saw on the HIdeout site that Paskinner is dabbling into our method. Thats great! He just needs to remember that unless he is going to use our method to a tee, then he can't say our method doesn't work if his hide fails to soften. LIke making a cake. If you decide not to use the baking powder, you can't expect the cake to rise. Our method uses two brainings. But then I still believe it is the prestretching that makes the difference in any method anyone uses. Do all methods use the pre-stretching? (jeez, talk about being stuck in our own way of doing things!) Did yall know that back in biblical times, one of the reasons a woman could divorce her hubby ,was if he was a tanner of hides? haha. Thanks for trying our method Pa, and good luck with it. We are headed for Billings today. Yuk! Dlt
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Post by paskinner on Mar 13, 2008 10:33:50 GMT -5
Longtrail, Don't worry, I'm not about to diss your method. Actually, what I've been dabbling with is drying the hides after braining, as opposed to wringing first and then braining. So far, I'm happy with the results, although the thick hides do seem to need two brainings. These are hides that are bucked and all that icky stuff. ;D As far as all methods using pre-stretching, yes and no. Most wet scrape tanners I know of do brain, pre-stretch to some extent and brain again, but with bucking we can "cheat" on the easier hides and just brain them once at times.
Yep, tanners were also considered ceremonially unclean in Biblical times.
I do intend to do a couple hides with your method start to finish sometime soon. Thanks for giving me something different to experiment with.
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Post by Cody ( The Patriot ) on Mar 13, 2008 12:22:36 GMT -5
I didnt know that ........good thing I aint a jew.........I washed dishes last night at Church ,Hope they aint unclean!
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Post by longtrail on Mar 14, 2008 0:42:26 GMT -5
Ya, ?Co, that definately unclean/ I avoid doing that when ever possible ( but alas, it happens every day!! Sure Pa. I'd really like to see it work for you. Thanks for the non-dis!!!!!!!!!!!! Dlt
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Post by oregondoc on Mar 23, 2008 15:12:21 GMT -5
Cant wait for the DVD. Please put me on the list for one. For years, there have been many things that I have been interested in and couldnt find the time, or make the time for. This one is high on the list and I cant wait to start learning. I have no thoughts of ever becoming as good as the people here that do it all the time, but I would be very proud to be able to wear something that I made from the hunt to the final product. Wouldnt get any better than that. Jon
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Post by brainsoft on Oct 7, 2008 12:54:00 GMT -5
PA and others as well
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Post by brainsoft on Oct 7, 2008 13:11:48 GMT -5
PA again...lol..will try one more time. Reference to your saying thick hides need braining even when bucked, is something I agree with or have seen myself after bucking a bunch. No problem with that. What I truly do not understand tho is why bother to buck at all. If some are mixing bucking along with the pre smoke method above, why bother. I guess I don't get it with the bucking mess. Lot's do it to begin with when getting started which is a not neccessary step to aid the new comers confusion to the process and for the not so new comer braining twice is a given with all but thin or medium hides.
By braining I mean braining and working dry and then braining again. If one is using the presmoke method then you do that inbetween. Not sure I would presmoke if I had to sew them up all the time but I don't as I have a smoke box that holds 8-10 hides so presmoking is a given.
By bucking you may be gettng rid of some of the some of what you don't want in the fibers but you are also stripping the hide of natural oils just to turn around and put them back in. Much easier to skip the messy bucking stuff and get on with it.
I will admit I do very few hides fresh and this makes a difference too. But I have don't them unbucked with no problems.
On the easier hides you mentioned I ring twice and brain twice when not using the presmoke and always had good results with no bucking involved.
From my playing with the presmoke method it is by far the best one I have seen and if your a newbie all you have to do is just exactly as they mention and you will have good results.
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Post by paskinner on Oct 7, 2008 16:18:34 GMT -5
Brainsoft, By all means use whatever method makes your happiest.
I buck because it is less work for me to soften a hide that is already porus and open before I do any pre stretching, braining etc. If I do choose to pre-stretch, it is a much easier pre stretch.
Again, I have done bucked and unbucked hides side by side and done 100's of hides with non bucking methods, but what do I know, lol?
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Post by joanne2 on Oct 7, 2008 21:47:05 GMT -5
Brainsoft- PA Skinner is a Pro now. He's lost touch with the folks (not unlike McCain)! LOL
I'm totally with you. You see the only reason these folks are so 'into' bucking hides is because if it's bucked right little schoolgirls can EASILY grain the skins. Truly the only way the crap comes out of the skins is from manual expulsion. When I powerwash my hides in the frames and run the ulu down the skins THAT is when the 'guck' is expelled from the skins. I don't need to buck my hides to rid them of whatevers in them, I could probably accomplish this with a garden hose and ulu or horseblinder tool. I'm almost softening hides with the hair on with no oil at all and they are very easy to sew as well. Ok, that said I can see a point in using potassium hydroxide to allow for pussy cat style grain removal. Ha! Oh yes. Combining both methods is the likeliest 'fix'. I think newbies should begin with the Dinsmores method personally. It is more encompassing and is a simple strong foundation to build from. One cannot buck a hair on hide. Hide tanning and braintanning is much more than simply producing braintanned buckskin. Just my 2cts LOL !!
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Post by joanne2 on Oct 7, 2008 22:11:08 GMT -5
Squeakie clean.. these hides will soften very easy with the hair on because I sprayed them several times, ulu'ing in between, it is the ulu'ing or squeegieing that makes all the difference.. works better than wringing or scraping over the beam imo.... you could see the stuff that makes it "easier to pre-stretch" rolling right out of the skins..it's pretty neat to see this but feeling it is even better yet... all I need to do is smoke the 'open' hides now over the punky rotten wood fire add oil and soften. Ya makes me a happy lil or braintanning gal alright.. Sure would be nice to keep up with the hides and skins coming in.. like this.. would eliminate the need to store frozen OR salted.. course I collect hides from the hunters that donate them. Well my smaller smokehouse is about 3/4's sided now.. kids and their needs prevail most of the time however.. hidetanning is not my priority.. we'll leave that to the professionals. I could soften these skins with their own brains..But I'll smoke them inbetween! Makes it much easier.
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Post by paweaver on Oct 7, 2008 22:24:03 GMT -5
[quote author=joanne2 board=brain thread=91 post=7007 . You see the only reason these folks are so 'into' bucking hides is because if it's bucked right little schoolgirls can EASILY grain the skins.
Hey, before you run us down, please at least get your facts straight. Both Loren and I grain before bucking, not after.
Really I think that the "wonderful old ones" who braintanned before us and have now passed on are laughing and making fun of those who think that there is only one way to tan a hide.
paweaver
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