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Post by seetsseeba on Aug 3, 2009 13:41:04 GMT -5
What hide is used typically for making parfleche envelopes? I am in the process of making all my gear and would like to be authentic about it. Joe has elk and deer hide and he can make the rawhide for me. Tammy.
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Post by paskinner on Aug 3, 2009 15:42:43 GMT -5
What hide is used typically for making parfleche envelopes? I am in the process of making all my gear and would like to be authentic about it. Joe has elk and deer hide and he can make the rawhide for me. Tammy. According to Gaylord Torence's book on parfleches, Buffalo was by far the first choice, followed by elk, horse, moose and possibly deer. Of course, cow hide was used a lot later on.
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Post by seetsseeba on Aug 3, 2009 18:03:12 GMT -5
Thank you! We can get buffalo hides easy enough, how was the fur removed for the purpose of making parfleche? Joe doesn't want to give up his elk hides just yet.
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Aug 3, 2009 20:26:04 GMT -5
i would think that you would dry scrap the hair off.
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Post by beaudro on Aug 3, 2009 23:07:41 GMT -5
That book that PA mentions is good, "The American Indian Parfleche" by Gaylord Torrence. www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=the+american+indian+parfleche&x=18&y=21 On that link the only one I seen available is 75 bucks, i'd hold out for a cheaper version. "the old squaw takes a stone and busily removes the hair from the parched buffalo hide. When this task is complete she will paint about it and shape into a folded case" Bradbury's travels. It's a big job, you'll have to work the flesh side of that buffalo as well as remove the hair. Once it's all cleaned up your done , but it'll take awhile. For portraying an indian woman you can't go wrong with having plenty of rawhide around, she used it a lot. Since your going to all this work, you might consider to take the opportunity and try incised parfleche, look at that belt on the WOFT site. thats something you might not want to pass up. I think you can prepare most of it to paint on, and some of it to do incised. It's something to consider. Here's a photo of a woman working on parfleche,
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Post by paskinner on Aug 4, 2009 8:58:04 GMT -5
Hair removal-well it depends who you listen to. I've heard everything from dryscape to bucking to burning. But for the plains tribes-again according to the above mentioned book, the traditonal method was to beat the hair off with a stone after painting the other side. The hide would be laid on a softened hide or thick wad of grass. This would make the rawhide more flexable and I'm guessing would impart an old, used cracked look to the outside, which was actually the flesh side. Had anyone tried this? I seem to remember that some folks from the hide out had done it this way, and said it's a lot of work.
I did a couple of parfleche evelopes and knowing no better, I wetscraped the grain off (cow hide) and painted the grain side. It worked fine. I kind of like the look of white rawhidewhen you brain it once and stretch it out, and I've sold some done that way for parfleche.
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Post by seetsseeba on Aug 4, 2009 10:48:53 GMT -5
Thank you again for all the replies. I am new to this however my husband has been braintanning for a few years now. Beaudro, there isn't much information on incised parfleche to be found even on the women of the fur trade site. I would like to know more about it. I think I can talk my husband out of the elk hide he has in a frame now. The grain is removed and all I have to do is paint and cut. I think this is going to look like many of them I see in museums.
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Post by beaudro on Aug 4, 2009 11:18:21 GMT -5
I don't know much about incised parfleche, and not many do. I'm guilty of going down to tandy leather and buying rawhide, probably water buffalo, and cutting it out, then painting on it. The most I have done is used period correct pigments. Using that elk hide will do fine, and probably better than most would do. If you want to try incised here's the article on braintan's forum called the hide out. Curtis Carter has helped me before with a few sheilds and he has made incised parfleche , as well as painted. I think somewhere in this he shows what tool he uses to remove the epidermis/grain ,, hope this helps. 64.62.177.152/WebX?14@804.0xWjaVPKl1o.5@.ee829b1/0
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Post by beaudro on Aug 4, 2009 11:34:56 GMT -5
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Post by phoenix1967 on Aug 5, 2009 7:30:28 GMT -5
Anyone have a pic of an actual envelope? I have heard of them, but I dont recall ever seein one
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Post by paskinner on Aug 5, 2009 8:30:37 GMT -5
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Post by phoenix1967 on Aug 5, 2009 10:58:11 GMT -5
Thanks man, I was thinking of the bags when I pictured it.... Now I know the diff
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