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Post by beaudro on Feb 1, 2008 7:23:39 GMT -5
here's a good, easy moccasin pattern for center seams. I go through several pair each year, it's a continuing topic around here....
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Post by joanne on Feb 1, 2008 8:24:21 GMT -5
It does look like a good easy pattern for the center seam moc's. Don't see why a person couldn't add a sole of the buffler skin like Badhand does to any style. Couldn't that be done? Could you add some more skin and a liner and make 'em northern mocs?? I'll have to try this sometime soon.. just to be 'different'. I like breaking all the rules.
My daughter confiscated my winterboots this year.. I only bought them cause they looked like braintan buckskin, lol. The rubber soles are hard to beat.
I have yet to soften this bison skin and can't really see a reason to soften the lower legs on this skin.. hopefully the thin summer skin from the cow would work ok. What do you think Badhand? Will it? Maybe the thicker the bison rawhide the more mileage you get.. I have some that is thick but it would take quite an effort to soften that raw skin.. it looks and feels like metal.. I forgot what you wrote earlier, Badhand.. this is the skin you want.. preshrunk bison? maybe a new sawsall with a metal blade on it?? will have to get busy.
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Post by beaudro on Feb 1, 2008 15:04:23 GMT -5
Joanne, I've been wearing mocs like these ever since I started reenactments, I have added a little padding to the inside several times. I'm finding out the best thing to do is make them out of the thickest hide.. of course. I lay my pattern down with the bottom of the feet at the middle of the hide, this is why I leave so much neck on my hide if I can. I just get the thickest part under my feet. Stuff a wool "sole" down inside sometimes it will help. I'm still careful of where I walk, sharp rocks are hard on tender feet. I put a really good smoke on my mocassin hides, this way they take better to water. Usually at first light, when the morning dew is on the grass I'll start getting them wet, nothing I can do about it, but at least they dry out and I can keep using them. I love going in cold weather because then I can wear more padding or use my buffalo winter mocs, it's like walking on air then!
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Post by beaudro on Feb 1, 2008 15:10:01 GMT -5
here is a picture similar to my winter mocs, it takes a bit of buffalo hide, but it's well worth it. It looks like they added a sole to this one, i just make mine side folds and I'm walking on buff hair.
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Post by chuck on Feb 1, 2008 15:29:47 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing the pattern for the moccs. I've been wanting a simpler one than what I had. Thoes last pics are great love the moccs.
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Post by joanne on Feb 1, 2008 16:04:34 GMT -5
Those are very nice looking moccasins! Gotta run..I'm just going to have to make up my mind and do some one of these days.. those moccs make me want to soften that goofy looking skin I have.. I did brain it once .. Maybe I should cheat and alum taw it! take a lot of salt and baking soda hmn.. might soften real easy though.. and who would know that I cheated! It is real tempting.. anyone alum taw/tan any bison skins??? I was going to post this pic before on this thread and forgot to post the pic ..
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Feb 1, 2008 22:17:25 GMT -5
thanks for the moc pics.been wanting to make some winter mocs of that style
who cares if you cheat joanne,like you told me before at least your doing something with that hide.i've seen enough of you work to say that how ever you do it,it will turn out good so just go for it,and post away while you're doing it
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Post by beaudro on Feb 2, 2008 7:14:17 GMT -5
Those winter buff mocs are not as good as these in this link.. here's a better pattern...http://womenofthefurtrade.com/page11.html it's easy to make side fold mocs, and more accurate anyway. The hard part is getting enough buff hide to make them, I used up a bunch of it, be prepared to use a big hunk of your buff hide. I make mine big enough so I can insulate my feet with some wool also, you can't beat them in snow and cold weather,,
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Post by longtrail on Feb 15, 2008 0:54:58 GMT -5
The Salish side seam moccasins have always been my favorite. They are easy to make and seem to hold up well for me. Having done a lot of my early rendezvousing in the soggy NW, we were always looking for someway to keep our feet warm and the mocs from stretching out to size 15 or more. So here's a little cheat if anyone is interested. When I make my mocs, I usually line them with sheepskin that I have trimmed down to very short on the sides and tops, leaving them thicker on the bottom. I also trim where the seams are going to be even shorter so the seams are not so bulky. So what i have is two pieces of brain tanned moccasin cut out, and two sheepskin cutouts. Then I take the Miracle stuff, aka Barge Cement ( I think that is how it is spelled) Brush a good layer on the flesh side of the leather and of course the flesh side of the sheepskin, making sure you get the glue over all the hide even to the very edges. You have to let them dry until they are tackey, then very carefully fit them together exactly, I say carefully because the glue is very sticky at this point. Once you have the pieces together, one upon the other, take a mallet or just a hammer and firmly hammer the pieces all over for a while making sure every part has been hammered, this is what seals the two pieces together, even the edges. Let it dry over night then make your mocs whenever. The glue is not visible from the outside, and it dries to somewhat a water, or at least moisture proof layer in between. The layer of glue keeps the mocs from losing their shape when wet, and they stay flexible. And the thick sheepskin makes traversing rocks a breeze for even this tenderfoot. So thats the hint from the former rendezvous in the mud territory of western Oregon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Funny moccasin story for ya, One rendezvous I went to, one of the guys noticed someone was wearing tennis shoes, and while it was not a strickly primitive rendezvous, we were wondering who was wearing them. So a tracking party set out and discovered a guy had glued moccasin tops onto his tennis shoes. I can't remember it he was blonde or not. Also another track story. There was a friend of mine, had a severe horse accident and over the years had to have his leg removed. He had a friend make him a prosthesis out of a buffalo leg and hoof. When he came to rendezvous he left quite the track!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Feb 15, 2008 10:40:13 GMT -5
thats quite a story.i once knew a old man when i rode motorcycles that fashioned a toliet plunger to his peg leg,he was a character
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Post by beaudro on Feb 15, 2008 11:07:09 GMT -5
might want to watch your back leaving tracks like that, hahaha
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Post by Cody ( The Patriot ) on Feb 15, 2008 12:16:09 GMT -5
Dang Joanne that deer must have looked like a greyhound HEHE
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