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Post by intothewest1836 on Jun 22, 2009 20:33:12 GMT -5
Ol buedro got me started in here. now where are you to help me out? what do I need to do to be better at rendezvous
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Post by beaudro on Jun 22, 2009 21:00:37 GMT -5
Hello Joe! I'm glad you made it , it was a good day to meet up with you at Raton, was sure surprised to run into an okie from my neck of the woods. Buckskin Billy can help you out , but first you got to tell us more about what you want to do, who do you want to portray in the mountains , I know you already told me what time period your interested in. With all the talking and passing that jug the other night, i might have forgotten a few details.
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Jun 22, 2009 21:06:43 GMT -5
dang i missed out on passing the jug joe if you met up with ol beaudro at a voo i know your on the right track
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Post by caretaker on Jun 22, 2009 21:45:05 GMT -5
Dang me too Billy. Sure glad I still my Fruit jar. Yep, rekon ol Joe fit right in.
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Post by intothewest1836 on Jun 23, 2009 10:51:19 GMT -5
i ordered the kanik corner pattern for pants. now the shirt ? the packet you gave me looks simple enough but what stitch do i use? do i leave the bottom frilly?
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Post by beaudro on Jun 23, 2009 14:22:42 GMT -5
You will like that pattern, it's better than the others on the market. The hard part is the fit and stitching. I would try it out on some decent cloth first, and save that cloth to wear underneath one day for cold weather. Cotton flannel is good for this, and cheap enough. On the shirt, I always stitch with either a fine running stitch or a back stitch, I would hem that bottom edge of a shirt. Most of the time you will have it tucked in, so it doesn't have to be the best of hem stitch to be seen. I would even make it a little shorter, by your time period most were not as long as the earlier counterparts. If you can get me a few pics of it I can post them on here for everyone else.
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Jun 23, 2009 18:55:38 GMT -5
is the shirt he making the beth gilgun pattern? the one with the neck and sleeve gussets. if that is the shirt, it is a real easy shirt to make. you'll have to scratch your head on them gusset for a minuet or two, but it aint no hill fer a stepper. i used a real fine running sticth every where . on the bottom of the front opening i used a button hole stitch
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Post by beaudro on Jun 23, 2009 20:21:03 GMT -5
Well,, sort of a pattern, I should probably let him explain it. It's just a series of rectangles , Gilgun's pattern was for more of an 18th century but still a good one. The gusset and wristband is a little larger in this one he is using. You should see this guys' braintan Billy, when he is done with his breeches they are going to look great for sure.
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Post by intothewest1836 on Jun 23, 2009 22:45:11 GMT -5
Hello Billy i think allen showed me that gilgun book and the deal was good but he found a simple picture that worked even better for me. thanks for the good words on my hides i owe thanks to all the tanners from the hide out where i learned over the years. i don't think i better than anyone else, i sure have not found an easy way .
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Post by intothewest1836 on Jun 25, 2009 16:28:06 GMT -5
Ok, i got the shirt finished up last night, and the pattern for my pants came in the mail. looks like study time before i cut into this buckskin. help me out?
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Post by beaudro on Jun 25, 2009 18:17:12 GMT -5
yep, it's a good time to study up all you can. Like I said , try cutting that first prototype out of some cotton flannel, you can get it at walmart. once you get it adjusted the way you want , take it back apart and use it for your pattern. You don't have to cut up all the gussets and other parts, just the waistband and main parts of the breeches. When you get it layed out on your buckskin make sure you get the insides and outsides correct.. It's easy to lay the pattern out and cut the left or right leg , front or back on the wrong side of the buckskin. After it's all done, save that flannel pattern and sew it up without all the bells and whistles and use it for a winter underwear, it will pay off. You can't go wrong with the directions in that pattern , When you use that cotton waistband, wash it first, and get the shrink out of it before you put it in the leather.
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Post by Buckskin Billy on Jun 25, 2009 18:22:14 GMT -5
i would lay out the pattern, and study the sizes. if its like the pants pattern i've used it will have several different sizes for one package. study it well and cut out your size. after that take some kind of el-cheapo fabric and make your pants from that .sew them losely so you can make adjustments easier. try your mock pants on and check the fit. adjust as necessary. then take that apart at the seams and trace onto your buckskins, cut out and start sewing. a easier way is to take old blue jeans that fit a little tight, cut the seams out and trace on el-cheapo fabric and cut out. then use your pattern to get the right fly and waist band.
a couple of words of advice. make your pants too tight. especially if its brain tan, because it will stretch out. when i first made mine they were a size to small. i had to suck in a bunch just to get them to button. now i can put them on and off with out unbuttoning them. if i don't have a belt on i will walk out of them. one thing that will help with the stretching is to sew a cloth liner in the waist band, beaudro can explain that better than i can. also use wax linen thread. it is strong and when it gets some age to it it will look kind of like sinew. my experiance with artificle sinew hasn't been good. on my pants i used real cotton thread, but it just don't hold up, or for me it hasn't, and i think thats part of the cause for my pants to stretch out so bad.
i hope this has helped you. if you still have questions ask, there are many talented people here, any one of them will lead you in a good dirrection
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Post by beaudro on Jun 25, 2009 19:11:25 GMT -5
Billy is right, leather clothing stretches, That Kannicks pattern helps with that problem a little, but i'm finding out that every year I have to take up my leather breeches. Even after 3 years I'm still taking one pair apart and making them fit again. If they last one more year I'll probably have to do it again. I take the inseams apart and make a new welt, and cut almost 1/2 inch from the seam and re-sew it. Elk or deer they both do the same stretch. I think it just goes with the territory as I know a few others that do the same thing. I just depends on how much you wear them as to how often you will re-sew them. Do what Billy suggest though and make them tight the first time, after this first time you'll know more about how to make them and it won't be so bad to adjust them later. One other suggestion, since the back end is suppose to be full, don't let it sag and look like a full diaper , take them up with the gathering at the waistband, you may have up to 4 pleats on each side of the butt seam,, make sure they are big enough gathers to pull the leather together and not make a poopy pants,, i always thought that looked so bad ,,, like a diaper instead of pants. It helps if you can wear them high on your waist, but if not I try to cut mine a little lower, and the dragging ass doesn't look so bad... hard to explain in nice words.
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Post by paweaver on Jun 25, 2009 22:57:59 GMT -5
Billy is right, leather clothing stretches, That Kannicks pattern helps with that problem a little, but i'm finding out that every year I have to take up my leather breeches. Even after 3 years I'm still taking one pair apart and making them fit again. If they last one more year I'll probably have to do it again. I take the inseams apart and make a new welt, and cut almost 1/2 inch from the seam and re-sew it. Elk or deer they both do the same stretch. I think it just goes with the territory as I know a few others that do the same thing. I just depends on how much you wear them as to how often you will re-sew them. Do what Billy suggest though and make them tight the first time, after this first time you'll know more about how to make them and it won't be so bad to adjust them later. O.K. I had to jump in here. Hope you all don't mind. Leather stretching. Taking them apart??? Loren is still wearing his first pair of leather pants (Patch and replaced parts but never taken apart and re sewn). I'm wearing mine right now as I type ( They are at least 5 years old and I've never redone anything). I realize that I don't always use time period patterns so ours might be different, but where are you having problems with the stretch? Waist? Knees? Back end? Do you ever wash them? They will shrink up a small amount when you wash them. I just wash a bunch of our braintan this week. The first washing they will turn out a little stiffer than the following washes, but just wearing them for 5 minutes loosens them up. Just trying to understand the whole pic. weaverpa
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Post by beaudro on Jun 26, 2009 11:13:37 GMT -5
Here's a scenario for you Paweaver,, In Jackson Hole Wyoming I change into my buckskin drop falls, in the horsetrailer, in the parking lot. I then ride about 15 miles toward camp. Poor ole leaso the rental horse is lathered up in sweat and i'm not dry either. After unpacking and setting up, I decide to scope out my area of the elk hunt and find myself climbing around 4 cliffs and two canyons to get there. I end up crossing a creek and now I"m soaking wet and need to head back to camp for supper. After attempting to dry them by standing next to a camp fire, I decide to change, so I hang the wet clothes by the fire, next morning they are dry and find they are tight when i put them on. But as I climb back down to my hunting spot, they are stretched back out again, more than usual. But I hit the creek once more and now they are soaked , but I continue on to hunt. Lucky enough I get an elk, but it must be quartered up to get it back to camp so I start the process and sometime after noon i'm back in camp. Because of season hunting sometimes its too warm to hang and the meat must be taking back to the truck,,, so it's back in the saddle for the trip back to the truck. The elk rides, i walk. At the truck a good friend takes the elk to town, and I ride back to camp. Pants are still wet, and a little blood soaked, but stretched out to the point that my belt is all I got holding them up. that evening i'm sitting by a fire all dried out , the next day I'm up and at em helping my pards get their meat out of camp,, so on , and so on, i'm working in these pants. After taking them home, the knees are stretched , the waistband is a foot longer and the only solution is taking them up a little. I sometimes have to take the inseams apart and cut off about 1/2" or so. The waist band always needs taking up, at least once a year when I start my season. I've tried washing them , and they draw up good, but they stretch right back out , please consider that after a few regular family rendezvous they are fine, but if I really hunt and trap in them for a week long event they get much more abuse. Also I do this at least once a month, about 10 months out of the year. If not hunting or trapping I'll running around in them enough to stretch them good. I never wear them for just a few days only. I don't think I would get 4 years out of a good pair of pants, just depends on my schedule, but after 3 years I have one pair that is about shot and I think i'll hang them on the trophy wall.
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